On “Little Chris”:

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Please think of little_Chris
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: 2001-07-01 09:45:34 PST

“little_chris” kindly wrote:

> i have let you all down…Sandra and karin & doug…I *need*
> youto help me just let me know everything is going to be ok…
> i try my hardest to go I have failed you all…i smell of
> sick…please help me to go…i need to go…desperately
> need to go…i love you all…& i need ash to help me go…

You have not let anybody down. And of course we’ll help you in all
possible ways, of course, dear Chris. I will try to help you go,
honestly.

And I want to apologise for posting this message about you, it was
premature. But I desperately wanted everybody to think of you,
believing it would help you.

groet,
Karin Spaink

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Death from mercury injestion
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.methods
Date: 2001-06-25 06:17:43 PST

“little_chris” kindly wrote:
> years ago I went around various chemists and obtained 8
> thermometers and consumed their contents (I got the idea from
> a spate ofwilful poisonings by a person in the UK who was
> going around injecting oranges with mercury). I felt very ill
> for a number of weeks but nonoticeable lasting damage.

I always believed that mercury was a slow agent, and that its
effects take time to develop?

[As I kid, I used to play with the mercury from a broken
thermometer. I loved the way it behaved and how drops would melt
into one another. And I felt weirdly titillated because I believed
I was doing something possibly lethal. I liked that idea.]

groet,
Karin Spaink


Promoting and encouraging methods of suicide

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Eating Human Babies (Yummy for the Tummy)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: 2001-07-18 18:34:25 PST

“Doug” kindly wrote:

> Thanks Karin Spaink!
>[Ed. note: link to suicide site removed]

What’s so bad about forwarding articles, pray?
And yes, I am a proud member of the CoE [Ed. note: Church
of Euthanasia]. Their first Dutch
member, actually. You know that they promote suicide?

Even *you* can get to be a martyr of the CoE, Doug. All it
takes is to mention them in your suicide note. You’ll be
instantaneously elevated to that long craved status. And if
you said I made you do it, I’m sure I can get bonus points.

groet,
Karin Spaink

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: air bubbles in an injection
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.methods
Date: 2001-07-17 11:59:59 PST

“ana” kindly wrote:
> “fat mike” wrote in message
> You know when you check that the liquid spills out of the needle
> when you’re about to make an injection ; but what if you
> inject air with the liquid or , better , what if you inject
> only air? If i’m not wrong there’s a doctor among us so i guess
> he/she can clarify this .

You need to inject quite a lot of air – 20 cc minimum – and
according to anaesthesiologists is is a terribly painful death.

groet,
Karin Spaink

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Dextropropoxyphene (medical) question.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.methods
Date: 2001-07-17 11:59:58 PST

“ks” kindly wrote:
> DextroP is an opioid painkiller,
> even without sleeping pills you are unlikely to feel much pain.

Chances *are* that you will feel the heart attack that is
part of dying via dextropropoxyphene.

Dextroprppoxyphene does *not* make you unconscious, you’ll
get cramps,spasms and perhaps convulsions; you’ll either die
of a heart attack or of breathing problems.

It’s not so much the pain, but more the panic that you will
prevent if you are solidly asleep.

groet,
Karin Spaink

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: How to do it with Methadone and Zanex
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: 2001-07-16 17:18:08 PST

Viktoria DH Luther kindly wrote:
> I need to know if this is going to work for certain. I
> don’t want to be revived. Got about 50 ten milligram tabs
> of Meth and a vial of Zanex. Anybody know if this will
&qt; do the trick?

If you haven’t used opioids before, 300 mg of methadone will
usually be sufficient.

groet,
Karin Spaink

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Mass death? Hmmm…..
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.methods
Date: 2001-07-16 16:28:46 PST

some_new_languor@hotmail.com (FlattenedAffect) kindly wrote:

Hi Flattened

> 4) i don’t want to be easily identifiable afterwards, so
> maybe someonecan help me w/ the razoring/burning off
> fingerprints thing, etc

I think you’re wrong on this one. Taking away your
fingerprints – by burning, cutting or whatever – is
amazingly painful. The ensuing pain and shock will most
likely make you screw up your suicide.

Btw, most people’s fingerprints are – yet – not in
databases. Unless you have been suspected of having
committed a crime, the police won’t have yours so there is a
rather low chance of you being identified through them.

What probably *will* identify you, are your teeth. And I
guess that you don’t want to pull them out…

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Ive reached an end
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.methods
Date: 2001-07-01 10:20:14 PST

Much21uv@webtv.net (Much21uv) kindly wrote:
> ….dont really have access to a gun..but if i did I
> would sure use that….would meth do it….is there a way to od on
> crystal at all?

Meth, as in: methadon? Yes. 60 tablets of 5 mg each, and you’re
ready to go.

groet,
Karin Spaink

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Bags…easy…dont think so…
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.methods
Date: 2001-06-15 13:04:11 PST

bob4142@my-Deja.com (Robert) kindly wrote:
> kspaink:
> > If you have a choice, use Depronal Deprancol / Darvon/
> > Deveril (all the same medicines under different names: they
> > are all dextropropoxyphene) by all means. But this medicine
> > is not easily available.

> > > (which is dextro-propoxyphene in retard
> > > form, Darvon in most countries; btw beware: NOT the
> > > napsylate form!;

> > Correct. Do *not use Darvon-N; use Darvon.
> Afraid that someone might miss it: not suitable seems Darvon-N,
> Darvon Compound 65, Darvocet-N (NOTE however: my info might not
> be exhaustive. Please do your own research; don’t rely on me!)

I’ve come across the same information time and time agian.
Do not use Darvon-N or its aliases.

> As described in this ng a few months before ‘Deprancol’
> (the spanish brandname) could be ordered at
[Ed note; site link removed]
> . I informed about their “Darvon”; in an email
> the pharmacist stated that this is dextropropoxyphene-napsylate;
> so don’t order that.

Darvon is the US name, in Germany it’s called Deveril, the
Netherlands call it Depronal. What you want is
dextropropoxyphene. Go by substance rather than brand name.

[Ed note: drug site removed]

> According to some posters pharmagroup seems to be reliable (but,
> of course *I* can’t garantee anything (quality of the meds or
> reliability or whatever), especially if you live in the EC
> (since the drugs are shipped from an EC country; between EC
> member states almost no custums control seem to take place).

I’ll report back soon. I ordered Deprancol early May via
their website and paid using a money order. This week, I
received confirmation that the money had reached them.

Later, I was told that it had been shipped for a EU country.
When I receive it, I’ll say so here.

I bought it for future use. But *do* be aware that Deprancol
- as other medicines – has a shelf life. On the blister, a
date is supposedly printed stating untl when it’s good.

Deprancol holfs for three years. Afterwards, it starts
deteriorating and will lose some of its powers.

Derek Humphrey advises to add another 10% percent of the
deadly dose when pills have outlived their shelf life. But I
don;t know wtheter that is solid advice for Deprancol
that’s 20 years old. By then, you might need to double
the dose.

> Also take notice: to my knowledge if you are a painpatient
> it is quite easy to get Depronal prescribed on the condition
> that the doctor does not have an inkling of your being
> depressed (that is a contra indication for prescription
> of Depronal).

In the US perhaps, but at least some EU countries have
stopped prescribing Deprancol altogether, the reason being
that it is on the narcotics list. Chancces are however that
Deprancol is being blacklisted precisely because it is the
one single medicine that has been used the often used in
suicides.

> More generally: like Karin says: the state of: not being
> anxious, being resolved and at peace with your decision is
> essential to “success” in this.

Yes. And that in turn reflects back upon the *quality* of
your decision. The less ambivalent you are, the more certain
and the more rational you are about it, the hogher your
chances of success.

Think before you leap.

> I am not an expert in this, so please do your own research;
> besides, it is YOUR OWN decision about YOUR life; you cannot
> recover from making a bad mistake!

Precisely.

groet,
Karin Spaink

From: Karin Spaink (kspaink@xs4all.nl)
Subject: Re: Boarding the bus
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: 2001-06-11 22:26:20 PST

Reivyn kindly wrote:
> I’m considering taking a copious amount of sleeping pills — not
> enough to kill myself, just enough to assure that I’m knocked out
> enough to prevent waking up at an inappropriate moment — and
> falling asleep in a full bathtub so that I can drown peacefully.

I’m not sure that your reflexes won’t kick in when you can’t
breathe anymore and water sips in through your nose,
sleeping pills notwithstanding. I’d gather that you
would be safer using the plastic bag method alongside the pills.

groet,
Karin Spaink